How Getting Shot At From a Stolen Car Is Like Affiliate Marketing

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Affiliate Marketing 2011 Regular readers of our blog know that in our prior lives “working for the man,” Emile was a software engineer for a USB device company and I was a police officer for LAPD. Both of us took the red pill and exited the job matrix – I in 2000 and Emile a few years later – because we both wanted complete control of our futures.

I loved being a cop – it was a tough decision to leave the department just months before I would have been promoted as one of the youngest detectives in the LAPD. But the company I started in my free time had grown to eight employees and having the founder out chasing bad guys all night was starting to cost more money than my modest civil servant salary brought in.

Now I have the best of both worlds. Emile and I own a successful company together where we get to do pretty much whatever we want all day and I still throw on a uniform two or three times a month for a 12-hour shift of chasing bad guys as a Reserve Police Officer (kind of like a volunteer firefighter, but with a Glock and body armor).

The mission of our small company has always been simple: Make money doing whatever works. That means if we thought we could make a profit selling vodka-infused caramel apples with Pixy Stix handles, we’d give it a try.

Over the past few months, Emile and I have been spending a few hours each day working on affiliate marketing. Our membership sites are doing well and it has allowed us to step back and look for other opportunities that can add to our bottom line. I haven’t talked about it until this point, because I didn’t think talking about it before we knew what the hell we were doing was worthy of your time. But a blog contest, coinciding with the fact that we’ve actually made some money doing it, has made it the right time.

Before talking about why I think affiliate marketing will help me take this side of the business to a new level, I’ll talk about why we’ve been working so hard on it since August. When Emile and I talked about giving it a try, I was skeptical. Could we really make enough profit that it would be worth diverting resources (namely time and money) from our paid content and membership sites? Did we really want to be in the same business as the “Cincinnati stay-at-home mom makes 5K a day with Acai Berry miracle cure!” crowd?

We found out there’s a lot more to it than Acai.

One of the things you’ll learn about us is that we don’t spend our days reading hundreds of blogs, reading long sales pages and books, and generally wasting time trying to figure out the best way to do something. The best way to figure out how to do something is to just freaking do it. We learn best by diving in and taking action.

We also don’t do anything “half ass” so let me start by showing our gross earnings in our main affiliate network account since we started in September:

As you can see we had some “beginner’s luck” in September, dropped back down after we thought we knew it all (and spent way to much money to earn way to little), and are building it back up to that first month. We’ve been very profitable every month but there is still something missing… more on that later.

I find myself comparing the internet marketing world with law enforcement all the time. This may sound a little odd, but I find ways to correlate the two after almost every 911 call. While my partner updates our log, I find myself looking for ways to relate the call to something in the business world. Lately, I’ve been thinking about how one specific incident relates to affiliate marketing.

I’ve made you wait far too long already for the payoff from the title of this post so here it is:

A while back my partner and I were on patrol in one of the rougher areas of the city around one in the morning. The in-car computer (where we get the details of the 911 calls) and the radio (where they initially broadcast the calls) was eerily quiet so we were looking for stolen cars by running the license plates of vehicles. The newer cars have license plate readers that can automatically run thousands of plates you pass by each shift, but we were doing it the old-fashioned way, by me calling out the plates and my partner typing them in the computer.

When you get a match, the computer gives you a very specifically-formatted message that looks different than a regular message return. It says: INQUIRY MATCH: STOLEN VEHICLE in big bold letters at the top of the screen and it makes your heart stop for a second while your mind catches up to your eyes and you realize you’re following a stolen car.

Any cop who says they don’t LOVE seeing that message is lying – because it means the next few minutes are going to be very exciting.

I’ll cut to the chase (literally). As we pulled in behind the vehicle and turned on our lights and siren, the vehicle accelerated and the pursuit was on. About 90 seconds into the chase as we turned a corner I heard a loud “pop.” It sounded a lot like what it sounds like when you run over an air-filled grocery bag with your car.

Ok, I’ll admit, the next part is a little…embarrassing. I turned to my partner and said, “Did we just run over something?” My partner leaned over and very “matter-of-factly” said, “Dude, he just shot at us.” All I could muster in response was, “What an asshole.” I thought I had said it just to myself in my head, but I later learned from my partner that I had said it out loud.

The passenger had leaned out the side of the vehicle and fired back at us. Because I was the driver officer, I didn’t see the bright muzzle flash from the right side of the vehicle my partner saw when it happened.

Long story short, after a few more blocks, the stolen vehicle pulled into a dead-end park where a very short gun battle of good guys vs. bad guys ensued. Needless to say, I’m still here (and so is my partner) and the parolees (who recovered from their wounds) are doing time in prison for attempted murder of a police officer.

As is my usual routine, I couldn’t help but think about how that incident related to affiliate marketing:

1) Affiliate marketing, like finding stolen vehicles, is a numbers game.
One of the things I learned early on is that you have to “run” a lot of cars in the computer to find the “G-Ride” (Grand Theft Auto aka G-Ride) as we call it. The more cars you run, the more likely it is you’ll find the car you’re looking for. It’s the same with affiliate marketing. There are literally thousands of offers out there to choose from. Some won’t make you a penny and others are pure gold if you can find the right target audience to go with the right ad. You have to try a lot of them to see which ones are going to fly. Once you find a winner, you spend as much money on it as you can.

How we’ll improve this year: We’ve gotten good enough at this to know that if we spend $100 on something and don’t make at least $75 right away, it’s probably not going to work. If I can make $75, I can probably tweak the ad or the targeting enough to put it over the edge and make it profitable. But it takes us way too long, in my opinion, to do this for every ad we try. I need to learn how to quickly test an ad with laser-like focus and spend as little as possible to see if it’s a good one. This year we can learn how to do a much better job of testing offers quickly and without “shooting in the dark” (pun intended) as we sometimes do with an offer by spending way to much, too quickly, only to find our target demographics were off.

2) The guy who shoots more accurately under pressure wins.
We all had guns that night. Our team had just trained harder for that moment. There’s a lot of money at stake in this industry and we know we’re competing with some very, very talented marketers. We’ve made some very nice coin in the four months we’ve been at this, but we’re small potatoes compared to the real players in this space. If we want to piss in the tall grass with the big dogs, we need to get a whole lot better at this. The real pros in affiliate marketing are calculating machines who know with crazy accuracy exactly how much every penny spent is going to earn. Like Gordon Gekko, they cut their losses quickly and let their winners run. I need to meet those people and attend those workshops.

3) Too much confidence can be a very dangerous thing. In the police academy you spend eight months learning how to deal with some pretty scary situations. What you learn very quickly after graduation is that when something happens fast and when you least expect it, you immediately fall back to your training. The most dangerous place to be in is the one where you think you have everything under control and nothing can surprise you. Affiliate marketing is about spotting trends and nuances before most everyone else and then spending as much money on that offer as you can before others figure out what you’re doing. What separates the top 5% from the other 95% is knowing that you always have to keep up with the latest trends and hot topics and never resting.

How we will improve this year: In affiliate marketing, I KNOW I still have a lot to learn. Sure we’ve had some success, but the day I decide I’ve learned everything is the day I’ll probably take a huge loss. In any industry you have people who feel like there is nothing left to learn – that there is nothing new that can be tested. That’s not true and I’ve always felt that if I don’t learn something from every conversation, seminar, workshop or conference I attend – that’s my fault – not the conference. I’ll go in with an open mind and know that the information is there for the taking – I just have to be willing to see it. Spotting a trend before the rest of the crowd is one thing we’ve been pretty good at. It’s very subtle and you won’t see it as the title of any conference keynote. But if you listen to what people are talking about and have just a little bit of vision to think two steps ahead, you CAN spot those trends.

4) Good writing makes all the difference
I’ve always been a decent writer. As a cop you do a lot of writing but it’s all about exact facts – with no exaggeration. There’s a little bit of persuasion – but not much. You state exactly what happened and what is known – without embellishing – because those exaggerations will come back to bite you in the ass in court when a good defense attorney begins their cross-examination.

Transitioning to writing affiliate ads was a bit of a shock to my system. Instead of “just the facts, Ma’am” writing, which can often be boring and dry, I now had to write in a way that was irresistibly interesting to the reader. Writing to get “clicks” and ultimately a sale is a lot different than police reports – and a lot more fun. Yet both types of writing are similar. You need to get your point across quickly and in a way that there is no confusion to the reader.

The best affiliate headlines I’ve written are those that get people excited to find out what’s on the other side in less than 4 or 5 words. The best police reports are ones that get the D.A. excited because they know they have a great case that makes sense, meets the criteria of the law and tells a story the jury will understand.

How we will improve this year: Great writing is something that can always be improved and some of the best headline and copy writers in the country are going to be at Affiliate Summit. Getting people to click because of 4 or 5 words is an art. Sure, it’s easy to write fake crap that people will click on, but if it doesn’t convert on the other side, all you are doing is wasting money. A headline that says, “Naked Brittany Spears Pics” will have a killer click-through-rate (if you could even get that headline approved) but your conversion to a sale on the other side is going to be garbage. The great writers know how to get people to click without them feeling like a fool on the other side.

5) Persistence Pays: “Never give up.” It’s the first thing my tactics instructor in the Academy said on day 1 when he walked into the classroom. No matter what kind of hellish fight you’re in with the bad guy, you never give up – EVER. Most people who try affiliate marketing give up way too soon because testing, re-writing and testing again with different copy, different images, and different headlines is work and at first it’s frustrating. You read all these blog posts about people making more money than Trump in affiliate marketing and you think to yourself, “What the hell am I doing wrong? I’m not the brightest guy in the world, but I know I’m at least as smart as that moron over at XYZ blog.”

But then something happens along the way. Suddenly one of your ads starts to take off and it clicks. You realize you CAN make this happen and it’s surprising how deposits into your bank account can make all the frustration and late nights worthwhile. Then it becomes a matter of how many credit cards you can max out on those ads before you get paid by the affiliate network. It’s a good problem to have. Finding the next winning ad actually becomes fun. When you match the right ad with the right target market, it’s a helluva lot of fun to refresh your earnings for the day and see that number grow every few minutes.

How we will improve this year: We’ve made some money and enjoyed some success. But we’re nowhere near where we want to be. Our small company is very close to breaking through to $1,000,000 per year in affiliate marketing. Our persistence is going to payoff. The motivation I’ll get from talking to other successful affiliate marketers is tough to quantify, but I know it will make a big difference in our revenue. 2011 is going to be the year we crack this nut and make it to the top 1% of all affiliate marketers.

I’ll keep you updated on our progress and I plan to share a few “lessons learned” over the next few months.

And for those readers who worry we are moving our focus away from paid content and membership sites with interviews, don’t. It’s still the bulk of our business and we plan on expanding that area of the company as well.

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Creating Money-Making Interview Content:
Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com (Part 4 of 4)

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Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com You’ll find Part 1 here, Part 2 here and Part 3 here.

This is part 4 of my interview with Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com. In this segment, I talk with Andrew about what he charges sponsors, why he has both sponsors and a membership model, how he determined his sponsorship price and why he never competes on price.

We also discuss how he uses memberships as currency to get things done.

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Tim Bourquin: No. That’s a fantastic idea though is to see where — you’re right. I kind of have to laugh because I don’t know why I haven’t thought about that. I’ve never thought of it that way. We track them manually how long people stay. But to figure out which pages they’re coming from. I know they come from the sign-up page because they got to get there but how they get there, a whole trail, those tools are — I think are out there available to track them all the way. I don’t track it that closely either, and maybe we’re both making a mistake by not. I don’t know.

Andrew Warner: And the difference between us is that you charge a lot more for your site than I do so you deal with smaller numbers, bigger revenues and so it’s easier for you to go in manually and it’s more important for you to go in manually and figure out what’s going on and you could track it easier. For me with dozens of people a month coming in and paying 25 bucks — dozens of new people a month coming in paying 25 bucks is just too much. And I also — yeah, it’s just too much. It’s too much. But there’s another value, by the way, to doing a membership site. You suddenly have a currency. You suddenly can say to somebody who offers you some help, “Hey, I know you want to do this free but I’ll give you free premium membership” or to someone who you want to do some kind of partnership with or you want to get some help with or maybe if I’m launching a new feature on the site and I need the audience to come in and help in.

I’m not just saying come and be paid volunteers and hoping one or two people come. I’m saying if you come in and do it I’ll give you premium access to the site. There’s a value on this. You see people are screaming that they don’t have access to this. I’ll give it to you and that draws in more people to help, out and then it becomes a currency that you kind of can print up yourself and use to help grow your business.

But you did ask about sponsorships too and I’ll be open about the sponsorship revenue. When I started out I was charging, I think it was $650 for an ad in front of my interviews. I made up that number. I can tell you in a bit how I came up with that. Now what I do is I have six sponsors. Each one pays $650 a month and in addition to it, I have a few one-off sponsorship throughout the site that are harder to identify and actually harder for me to name because if I say this spot cost this much you’ll know exactly which sponsor is paying that much and sponsors don’t want people to know that they’re paying me more than they’re paying other people because then have to explain Andrew’s got a different audience here, and Andrew is bringing in guests who I want to be associated with, and even if his audience doesn’t sign up for my service, if the guest knows that my business exists the guest might invest in my company and so on.

So I won’t go into the one-off spot — the custom sponsorships that I have on the site, but I will say $650 or $750. I have to check it out.

Tim Bourquin: Well, how did you come up with that number?

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Creating Money-Making Interview Content:
Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com (Part 3 of 4)

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Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com You’ll find Part 1 here, Part 2 here.

This is part 3 of my interview with Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com. In this segment, I talk with Andrew about why he thinks longer form content tells the story for as long as it needs is the right way to go. We also talk about making money from your content and how his audience reacted when he started getting sponsors and putting the archives behind a membership wall.

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Andrew Warner: I think let it go. When you have someone on who’s really good, I want to hear everything. Frankly, if you guys just had a conversation where you talked about membership sites, and then you stopped and you said, “Oh, what did you have for breakfast today?” I think it humanizes the person for me. That’s kind of interesting. When you go off track a little bit, that’s also interesting for me. I think the audience here would be fascinated to know that I’m now at a Regus Office, and that I’m traveling the world with just a laptop and microphone but not traveling like one of these digital nomads. It gives them a little bit of sense of who I am. If I were to throw in some random fact like I got married about a year ago, I think they’d love to know who I am and it doesn’t detract from the interview.

So I say do as little editing as possible. Get that stuff out there and your mistakes and the parts that don’t seem to fit with the main message of the interview are just going to add more color to the interview, and they’re going to take your time away from editing and let you do things that you’re more passionate about.

Tim Bourquin: Good point because I didn’t start this interview saying, “Andrew, how did you get started?” because a lot of other people have kind of already addressed that and I know those interviews are out there. So I didn’t ask those questions and yet you’re saying you get that background information even if they have been interviewed a hundred times and already answered those questions. Is that kind of your mantra?

Andrew Warner: I think so. Well, yes and no. If the question has been asked a hundred times then no, you don’t need to do it. But if you start off really well, and it’s hard to start off well, but if you start off really well with, “Hey, Andrew, how big is the site now? Who were you talking to?” get people really excited. If I come out with something that’s really powerful, then the audience starts to say, “All right. I know I’m going to get meat in this interview, but I also would like to have some dessert.” Or “I also would like to have a little bit of relaxed conversation” and that’s fine, I think. But more important than any of that, you just take the stuff that you don’t like to do off your shoulders. You get to now have a simpler program that you can pass on to someone else, and let them edit it.

I didn’t do that in the beginning. I didn’t take this advice at first. But then I just would go through insane amounts of time editing and then editing makes you question yourself. You say, “Why did I say that? Well, let me go and delete that stupid statement that I said. What did I say? I just insulted myself there because I was in a moment of weakness and I said I’m a terrible interviewer in the interview. Why don’t I go back and edit that out?” As long as I edit that out it’s unfair for me to say, “I’m going to edit out the stuff that makes me look bad but not stuff that makes my guest look bad. Why should Jimmy Wells get an interview here. I could edit it out when he said that he failed with his first company” and then you never stop.

My wife read an article where Gary Vaynerchuk said he doesn’t do any editing. I said, “You know what? If he’s not doing any editing, the guy knows something here. Why don’t I try it? Let me just let it go.” At first it was really tough because I thought I was putting sub-par material out there. Then I realized, you know what? It’s blogging, it’s the internet. It’s all sub-perfect, but all these little jagged edges are what give it personality and people are much more forgiving and much more connecting when it’s like that. So that’s the direction I took. I’m not saying that going the other direction doesn’t make sense. I’m not saying somebody listening to us, you shouldn’t say, “Hey, I want a polished product because everyone is like Andrew who’s putting rough edges on their stuff.” I’m just saying it helps me pump stuff out, helps me focus on what I care about, and helps me outsource some of the work that I don’t like doing.

Then you know what else you could do? I did this recently. I needed people to take the action on something, to vote for me for some job by Southwestern. I remembered a lot of people — who’s going to go and vote, just to vote. So what if I say vote and then I’ll give you something in return. So what can I give them in return? I’m not giving them an iTunes gift card or anything that’s going to cost me money. Oh, you know what? I’ll take one of my unpolished interviews, and I’ll clean it up, and now I’ll say it’s re-mastered, and I’ll put that out there. Do you know how many people wanted a re-mastered past interview? I thought, “Wow that’s kind of interesting.” Maybe what I do is I put out that first version that’s more real, and then for people who want the re-mastered I could come back and take just the select interviews and re-master them.

Tim Bourquin: Yeah. Good. I like the idea. Give them some motivation to do what you’re asking them to do. Well, because you don’t edit, have you ever asked — has somebody ever asked you, “Andrew, I didn’t do really well there. Please don’t use that interview”?

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Creating Money-Making Interview Content:
Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com (Part 2 of 4)

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Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com You’ll find Part 1 here.

This is part 2 of my interview with Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com. In this segment, I talk with Andrew about how he researches his guests, the two types of interviews he does and how he presses his guests to give complete answers to questions without being rude or pushy.

We also talk about a famous interviewer and how Andrew formats his interviews after biographies.

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Tim Bourquin: Let’s talk about the preparation and research that you do before an interview. Doing them every day, again, that’s another step that you have to take. What kind of research do you do on your guest?

Andrew Warner: There are two kinds of interviews that I do. I like to do biographical interviews and I also like to do educational interviews. Biographical interviews I use an outline that’s very similar with my favorite biography, the favorite books that I like to read. What they always do is they start off with, “Ted Turner walked down Manhattan, looked at the big building that now had CNN on it and with pride looked back at a career where you built up TBS, where you became a billionaire, when you did this and that and that.” That’s always the first chapter, and the reason they do it as the chapter is to say to the reader, “Look, this is why the person you are about to spend 400, 500, 600, 800 pages with is important. This is what he did that makes him so worthy of the pages that I’m writing here and makes him so worthy of your time to study him.” I do that too.

The first thing I do in a biographical interview is I say, “So how much money did you sell your company for?” or “How many readers did you get?” or when I interviewed the founder of Charity: Water, I wanted to know how many people did he impact with that charity? So right up front I say, Pow! Bang! Bang! That’s why this person is so good and worthy of your time. Then the next thing that I as an interviewer and my audience is going to be thinking is, “How did he get there?” So I do the same thing that chapter 2 in most biographies do. You could go and pick up any biography on your bookcase and have the same format. Chapter 2 is “Where did you start out?”

Now usually, in biographies they ask about family, about the mother, what the mother do, and start giving you the answers to those questions. For me it’s sometimes, “Did you have a lemonade stand? Did you have an internet company that you launched when you were a kid?” Very often what I find is people don’t have lemonade stands anymore as kids but they do have eBay businesses or they created digital games. To me that’s interesting to hear that they had experience programming or they had experience building companies. It’s not just day one they launch and everything works out beautifully. It might seem that way to the world but really when you dig in you find out, no, they had all this preparation years and years of failure, but they didn’t consider it failure because they were just kids. Then they built up their first business. I ask about the first business, the second, and so on.

Anyway, that’s the outline that I use for the biographical interview. To prepare for that is pretty easy. I’d go on LinkedIn, or I go on the bio of their website, or I look for some press, and I see step-by-step what did they do in their careers, and I also accept that there are certain things I’m not going to know online. I’m not going to be able to find out what their first business was, and I come to the interview with curiosity about that, and that comes out in the interview. I sometimes will, if I’m a little suspicious about what a person is saying in his biography, in fact I always am, I’ll go back and I’ll look for old articles from the time that we’re going to be discussing. So if he says that he founded Microsoft, I’m going to go back to the years when Microsoft launched and look for articles about Microsoft and see is there a reference to a third founder of Microsoft, for example, and that will help me come up with questions. So that’s one outline.

The other outline that I use is the educational interview. There I might want to say, “How can you launch a successful internet company?” for example. I did an interview yesterday with David Cohen, a guy who runs TechStars, a seed investment firm and who wrote a book recently called — what is the book called? More Faster Now — ah, I can’t remember the name, but it’s a really good book, and he was teaching what he teaches entrepreneurs that he backs. Well, what I did there was I said, “Okay. What are the big ideas that he has in that book?” Well, he actually did the work for me. He took all his big messages to founders, and he broke them down into what he called Seven Themes. I wrote out all Seven Themes.

I said, “Okay. Now I know what the Seven Themes are.” It’s not interesting to hear that an idea isn’t enough. That’s one of the themes. It’s interesting to hear a story that shows why an idea isn’t enough. So I’ll look for that story to prod him if I find an interesting story or maybe before the interview I’ll have a quick conversation. I’ll say, “Listen, I need a good story to explain this one point. Do you have one? Let’s talk about that a little bit. All right. But let’s not talk too much so we can keep it fresh.” That’s how I prepare for those kinds of interviews.

Tim Bourquin: Do you send them questions prior to the interview?

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Creating Money-Making Interview Content:
Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com (Part 1 of 4)

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Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com You’ll find Part 2 here. Andrew Warner is a guy I learn from every day. He is building an enormous archive of interviews that he monetizes with both memberships and sponsorships.

In this four-part interview, I talk with Andrew about how he uses interviews to get traffic to his site and how he gets interviewees to answer questions fully and without the typical public relations gloss-over.

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Tim Bourquin: Hello, everybody and welcome back to a MemberCon interview. I have a very special guest today, Andrew Warner. I’ve talked about him a few times on my blog already. His site is Mixergy.com. He’s one of the only other guys I know out there who is building an entire site, an entire content-based and archived-based on interviews. He’s got great ones. He interviews a ton of people, puts up a ton of content every day.

So I’m going to ask Andrew about how he gets these interviews, how he builds his audience with the interviews, how he gets the people to talk and dish the good stuff in those interviews, and why he decided to build that whole site based on that type of content? Because as you know, I’m a huge proponent of interviews. We talk about it here all the time and we have sites that we make the majority of our revenue on as paid content sites with interviews. So Andrew is an expert in that area after doing this for so long.

So Andrew, thank you very much for joining me on the phone today.

Andrew Warner: Thanks for having me on. And the other thing I want to make sure to tell people is how to use interviews to get traffic because you know what? There’s nothing worse than putting your heart and soul and hours of agony staring at that computer screen writing the perfect blog post and then nobody comes or maybe your mother or a friend of yours come, and then that’s even worse because then you feel bad that your friend is now doing you this favor and looking at this blog post that now you feel stinks. There’s nothing worse than doing all that work and not having anyone come. I’m going to tell people how they can use interviews to get traffic to get people over to their websites.

Tim Bourquin: Perfect. Well, let’s kind of start with that because I know that I’ve been tempted in the past to interview somebody who maybe isn’t the best person for it, but I know that they’re going to push it out to a ton of people and their audience. Typically, that’s not the case. If they have a big audience and they’re going to push it out there right for you. But have you ever been tempted to interview somebody just because you thought that they may not be a great interview, but you knew they’d bring people to your site?

Andrew Warner: There are enough people who would be great interviews and also would bring over traffic that I don’t worry too much about that. The other thing is I have a different philosophy from you. I believe that I can’t tell who’s going to be that great interview guest. I’ve had people on who I — just before the interview I said, “I don’t want to interview them.” I remember saying to my wife, “I got to stay and have a conversation with this idiot for an hour, and this guy hasn’t done anything, and he’s not going to be interesting.” And then in the interview, maybe five minutes in, the guy wins me over, and I have one of the best interviews ever, and people a year later will e-mail me to say that that person changed their lives. And mine too because the person who I though wouldn’t be helpful at all and wouldn’t be a good interview, ended up being not only a great interview but a personal friend and supporter. So I do as many interviews as I can, and then I kind of let the audience and the experience figure out who’s going to be the best guest.

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