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Selling Free Content Izzy and Tim from FoolishAdventure.com were kind enough to have me on their show this week.

In the podcast, I tell some stories about how I got into the paid content business plus some of the things I’ve learned along the way that I haven’t talked about before.

You can check it out here.

Izzy and Tim ask some great questions – a great example of how to interview well, actually. So if you don’t listen for my killer business tips, listen just to pick up a few interview tricks.

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Creating Money-Making Interview Content:
Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com (Part 4 of 4)

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Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com You’ll find Part 1 here, Part 2 here and Part 3 here.

This is part 4 of my interview with Andrew Warner of Mixergy.com. In this segment, I talk with Andrew about what he charges sponsors, why he has both sponsors and a membership model, how he determined his sponsorship price and why he never competes on price.

We also discuss how he uses memberships as currency to get things done.

4 ways to watch/listen/read:

1) Listen to the audio here (click on the triangle play button):

 

2) Download the mp3 file here
3) Read the transcript (below the video)
4) Watch the video:

Related Links:

- Mixergy.com

Transcript:

Tim Bourquin: No. That’s a fantastic idea though is to see where — you’re right. I kind of have to laugh because I don’t know why I haven’t thought about that. I’ve never thought of it that way. We track them manually how long people stay. But to figure out which pages they’re coming from. I know they come from the sign-up page because they got to get there but how they get there, a whole trail, those tools are — I think are out there available to track them all the way. I don’t track it that closely either, and maybe we’re both making a mistake by not. I don’t know.

Andrew Warner: And the difference between us is that you charge a lot more for your site than I do so you deal with smaller numbers, bigger revenues and so it’s easier for you to go in manually and it’s more important for you to go in manually and figure out what’s going on and you could track it easier. For me with dozens of people a month coming in and paying 25 bucks — dozens of new people a month coming in paying 25 bucks is just too much. And I also — yeah, it’s just too much. It’s too much. But there’s another value, by the way, to doing a membership site. You suddenly have a currency. You suddenly can say to somebody who offers you some help, “Hey, I know you want to do this free but I’ll give you free premium membership” or to someone who you want to do some kind of partnership with or you want to get some help with or maybe if I’m launching a new feature on the site and I need the audience to come in and help in.

I’m not just saying come and be paid volunteers and hoping one or two people come. I’m saying if you come in and do it I’ll give you premium access to the site. There’s a value on this. You see people are screaming that they don’t have access to this. I’ll give it to you and that draws in more people to help, out and then it becomes a currency that you kind of can print up yourself and use to help grow your business.

But you did ask about sponsorships too and I’ll be open about the sponsorship revenue. When I started out I was charging, I think it was $650 for an ad in front of my interviews. I made up that number. I can tell you in a bit how I came up with that. Now what I do is I have six sponsors. Each one pays $650 a month and in addition to it, I have a few one-off sponsorship throughout the site that are harder to identify and actually harder for me to name because if I say this spot cost this much you’ll know exactly which sponsor is paying that much and sponsors don’t want people to know that they’re paying me more than they’re paying other people because then have to explain Andrew’s got a different audience here, and Andrew is bringing in guests who I want to be associated with, and even if his audience doesn’t sign up for my service, if the guest knows that my business exists the guest might invest in my company and so on.

So I won’t go into the one-off spot — the custom sponsorships that I have on the site, but I will say $650 or $750. I have to check it out.

Tim Bourquin: Well, how did you come up with that number?

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Balancing Free vs. Paid Content For Your Website and Email List

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Rob Booker is a Content Selling Super Hero Rob Booker is a content superhero. I recently spoke with Rob, a friend of mine in the trading business, who creates content and sells it online in that industry. In this two-part interview, we discuss first how he balances giving away free content vs. selling his classes and information, and how he creates urgency and excitement about upcoming classes.

In part two we talk about how he published an E-book for the Amazon Kindle platform.

But first, our discussion about how he markets his content.

4 ways to watch/listen/read:

1) Listen to the audio here (click on the triangle play button):

 

2) Download the mp3 file here
3) Read the transcript (below the video)
4) Watch the video:

Related Links:

- Rob’s website

Transcript:

Tim Bourquin: All right everybody, hello and welcome to MemberCon. Another interview here today, I’m going to speak with Rob Booker. And actually, I’ve spoken with Rob at our other membership site over at Traders Interviews, but he’s also an entrepreneur outside of all the things he does in the trading realm. And so, I wanted to talk to him specifically about one thing today and that was the way he sells content. He just told me about a book that he’s selling on Amazon for the Kindle called, “Forex Strategy 10: Low Risk/High Return Currency Trading”. We’re not going to talk about that obviously, that part of it, but just about selling the content and his ideas for getting the word out there. So, Rob thanks for joining me here.

Rob Booker: It’s good to be here Tim.

Tim Bourquin: So, Rob lives nearby me now and is here in the office which is cool, I don’t have to do the interview over the phone. So, you’ve always had this kind of thing in the middle where you are a trader and you do all that and you’ve got your following there, but you’re an online entrepreneur too and you like to sell content, to put stuff out there. Most guys aren’t into it as much you. You read our MemberCon blog.

Rob Booker: Right. Right.

Tim Bourquin: So, how did that happen? How do you — kind of are in the middle there?

Rob Booker: Well, I’ve gone from trading for myself to being a CTA, which is a Commodities Trading Advisor, so I manage for families and friends and I’m licensed by the National Futures Association. As you know, trading and the world of the markets can be a really lonely endeavor especially early on when you feel like you don’t know very much. So, like some other people, including you and others, I started writing a blog maybe even before the term had been popularized, which turned into a regular column which turned into a newsletter service which turned into a membership site which turned into a huge ball and chain around my neck — no just kidding.

Tim Bourquin: Having to always update it?

Rob Booker: Yeah. And it became an excellent way for me to repeat the concepts that I believe in with respect to trading. It helped solidify those beliefs. It’s so you know everything that I gave out in the subscription site, I felt like I was getting back in spades and it just sort of took on a life of its own. So, it’s been about six years now that I’ve run the membership site, publishing eBooks, content, actual published books, and selling subscriptions right on the website to members that have been around for years and years.

Tim Bourquin: Have you found a good balance between offering the free blog content, offering free eBooks like I saw on your site that you offer and transition those people over to actually become buyers or something?

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What To Do When Prospects Say Your Content Is Too Expensive

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Membership Site Pricing We charge a lot of money for our membership site content. There I said it – we cost a lot of money. When Emile and I started our paid content business, we decided that we would rather service a smaller group of members at a higher price than a larger group of members at a lower price.

But more importantly, when we tested lower price offers, our revenue always decreased – even with slightly higher volume. Even with lower pricing, we attracted a few more members than usual, but not nearly enough to make up the difference lost from higher-priced memberships. It seemed that if someone wanted to become a member, they were going to do so pretty much regardless of what the price was. $299 per year made virtually no difference in membership volume than charging $499 per year.

Our lesson learned: People who will never become members won’t join at $999 bucks – and they won’t join at $9. People who will join at $299 will also join at $499.

I received the email below a few minutes ago. I get one of these types of emails a couple of times a month and in the beginning it would bug me for days:

Tim,

I really like your membership site and the idea, but I have to say, I really think you’re pricing yourself too high. I guess you might have some company-based members who can get the subscription fee paid for by their company, but for individuals, (who I think are the ones you’re aiming at), its just too high a price. Love it if you could come up with some different pricing options.”

I used to agonize over these. What if I was leaving thousands of dollars on the table? What if only .001% of the people who came to the site ever joined because we were overpricing? If we offered a low monthly price, maybe we’d get a lot more members and we’d actually make a lot more money!

When you first start selling content, there are a million places for doubt to start creeping in. You launch your site and it’s very slow at first – so slow that you think something must be wrong. You think to yourself, “I’ve totally blown it – I mis-judged the need for this, I priced it too high, my site design is terrible…etc, etc.” Especially when you get emails from people who say that if you priced it just a teensy bit lower, they’d buy (and tell all their friends to buy too!). It can really start to get to you. And don’t even get me started about all the emails from internet marketing gurus that are saying how much money they are making with their sites – those don’t help either.

Could those doubts about pricing, need and design be true? Perhaps. But 99.9% of the time it isn’t. Your gut is right – there is a need for your site and you priced it just fine. You just don’t have the volume of traffic needed yet to make sales on the 1% of people who will convert.

We had all these same problems with TraderInterviews.com when we started. We knew the product was AWESOME and priced fairly. But until we had enough traffic coming in to prove it, there were some very tense and unhappy months. Especially since we had been a free site for so many years – the haters were relentless with their emails when made the transition to a paid membership site.

But as our traffic grew, we realized that we were right on with our guts – there was a need and people were willing to pay for it.

As for those emails that we get that say we are too expensive, I started doing my own little test. I’d write back and offer our membership at 50% off – just to see what would happen. 9 times out of 10, I never heard from them again. My sense is that a single dollar would have been too expensive in their eyes. It wasn’t about the money, it was about their feeling that all content should be free or less than $10 per year. We’re just not willing to give away our content at that price.

If their email is polite and they use their name (as this gentleman did today), I always reply and explain why I think our content is worth the price and that it is simply a business decision. If the email is rude (as many of the freebie hounds are), they simply get deleted.

So, to bring this post back to the title about what to do:

1) Spend your time finding the prospects that see the value of your membership, not on convincing those that don’t
2) Believe in your product and your pricing – if your gut tells you what you have is great and pricing is fair – it is
3) By all means, test different pricing structures and levels, but don’t let individual emails dictate your testing
4) Hang in there and work hard on getting good traffic to your site – it’s the only way to really know if what you are doing is working
5) Politely reply to your emails that are respectful and delete the ones that aren’t – life is too short to waste time on someone who thinks they are entitled to everything for free

I’m not saying you shouldn’t listen to your prospective members. But keep in mind that those who want a deal (or something for nothing) will always be the most vocal.

Constantly and relentlessly create content that is high-quality and done with your best members in mind – you WILL be successful at this.

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Nathan Hangen on Building Digital Empires: The Interview

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Nathan Hangen Nathan Hangen is a blogger and digital content creator who is finishing his commitment to the military next month and taking the plunge into full-time online content sales. I came across his site after seeing a comment he made on another blog. What interested me most was what I saw him doing on his site. He was offering a paid E-book but also offering it as a free download.

I was curious as to what his results where and why he decided to offer a free version alongside the paid version. In this interview, he answers that question and many others. I ask him about his goals for selling paid content, his past experiences in doing so, and what he thinks about “launch fever” that seems to be overtaking the internet marketing world.

4 ways to watch/listen/read:

1) Listen to the audio here (click on the triangle play button):

 

2) Download the mp3 file here
3) Read the transcript (below the video)
4) Watch the video:

Related Links:

- Nathan’s website
- Nathan’s site designer – Kimb Jones
- Pat Flynn – Smart Passive Income
- David Risley
- Chris Guillebeau

Transcript:

Tim Bourquin: Hello, everybody. Welcome back to my interview here at MemberCon.com. We’re going to be speaking with Nathan Hangen. And I got he got my attention because I saw his comment on somebody else’s blog. So I went over to his site and took a look at what he was doing, and he is doing a lot of the things that we talk about here at MemberCon. But one of the things that was really interesting to me is that he sells an eBook, but alongside it, he’s got a free version that anybody can download that is set up a little bit differently. We’re going to talk to him about that today and his whole business too. So Nathan, thanks for joining me on the phone today.

Nathan Hangen: No problem. I’m happy to be here.

Tim Bourquin: I’m going to jump right into this and then we’ll get a little background on it in a minute, but you’ve got an ebook that you sell on your website that you’ve got a paid one that people can pay for, but then you’ve got pretty much the same content right below with a link for a free download. Can you talk about how you made that decision to do both of those?

Nathan Hangen: Sure, absolutely. To be honest, I talk a lot about experimenting on my blog and that’s what this was. It’s really just an experiment. Number one, it’s not original content. It’s a combination of old posts mixed with some new thoughts. And so I didn’t feel right. I wasn’t sure how I felt to be honest about pricing, and I couldn’t come up with or have a price that I was happy with.

So, at the same time, I also wanted to test the responsiveness of my audience, see who was there for free stuff, see who was there for me and who might be willing to pay more. And so what I did was I basically created this as a free product. No opt-in required, you know. If you want to come and get it, I paid money, 150 bucks for the design, and I said “Come and get it if you want it.” But if I also offered more with the premium version. You can get access to my Members Area. You can talk to me and I have some premium podcast there and just a bunch of stuff, not a ton but enough. And so I said you can come and get that. You can get the premium version for 10 bucks and so I wanted to see how many people would opt for the premium versus the free, and I thought that would give me a good test for how responsive my audience was to what I was doing.

Tim Bourquin: And what did you find out? Did people pay for it?

Nathan Hangen: Yeah. To be honest, I didn’t expect a lot and so I only think I got a lot in the beginning primarily because I didn’t really pitch it. And if you look at my blog even now, it’s kind of hard to find it. And it’s almost intentional. I didn’t want it to be like a launch or anything. But people are paying for it. I think right now, we’re at about nothing huge. I think I’ve got 30 people that have paid for it and they’re in my Members Area. I just raised the price to kind of I like the people that are there and I’d be happy if we didn’t have any more. So a lot of people took the free option and that’s okay.

Tim Bourquin: You’re in the military. You’re going to be out in a month. You’re going to try and do your website full-time. Thanks for your service by the way. I appreciate that. So, where do you make the majority of your revenue then with your blog that you intend to do this full-time after?

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